Ivy League Parent Opens Up About Pain and Shock Met During Lia Thomas Controversy

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As the NCAA Division I Women’s Swimming and Diving Championships draw nearer, conversation and controversy continue to surround Penn transgender swimmer Lia Thomas. Parents, especially in the Ivy League, continue to speak out anonymously about the fairness of competition. In a recent interview with Women’s Declaration International, the parent of a Penn swimmer recounted what has transpired over the past few months.

“I remember being stunned that this was happening, and even more stunned that it went unreported and unwhispered among the talkative swimming community,” a mother of an Ivy League swimmer said in a recent interview with Women’s Declaration International. “I asked my daughter if she was aware of the situation, and (at that point) she wasn’t. She quietly said: ‘That’s not fair.’ And the disappointment in her voice was clear. But she perked up and said she was sure they would figure this out once everyone understands. Oh how I wish her faith in those that have the power to make change had been well-placed.”

When the season started, Thomas was in compliance with an NCAA rule that required transgender women to have undergone hormone-suppressant therapy for at least a year prior to competition. The NCAA rule, though, was based on early 2010s science and controversy erupted, primarily concerning the advantages held by Thomas due to undergoing male puberty. In response to arguments over Thomas’ participation in a women’s sport, the NCAA indicated it would follow USA Swimming’s guidelines to determine transgender eligibility.

USA Swimming eventually announced the adoption of new guidelines that required transgender women to have a testosterone threshold of 5 nmols/L for 36 consecutive months. The NCAA, in response, indicated it would not follow USA Swimming’s guidelines and stated that it would require athletes to produce a testosterone threshold of 10 nmols/L prior to the NCAA Championships. The average testosterone threshold for a female is .5 to 2.4 nmols/L.

Whether Thomas produced that requirement is unknown, as the NCAA declined to comment, even to the simple question of whether Thomas will be allowed to compete. Yet, with her name on the psych sheets, it appears Thomas will be eligible to race in Atlanta.

“I called a lawyer to ask how the law, women’s rights and Title IX might be handled in a case like this. … I was trying to be respectful (with my) pronouns. I made it clear I didn’t want to offend, but pleaded that it seemed there was obvious conflict here for women who already had so much less opportunity in sport to now have to give places away to individuals who identify as women,” the Ivy League parent said. “I was met with the single most stunning response I have ever received on any issue. I was told that the worlds biological and genetic had no business being in a discussion about sex and gender. I was told Trans women are women. They are women. They are girls, and that no language that minimizes that point should be tolerated. I was told that it was an offensive question and my language was out of date. I was told that sex and gender are equally important and that the ACLU is actively removing sex from legal documentation. I tried to gently prod at the preposterous arguments I was hearing and I was met with an absolute brick wall when she concluded that … the ALCU would never represent CIS women against women. I didn’t sleep that night.

“The next morning, my education began. I woke up determined to figure out what had gone wrong, what I missed. I started researching feminism, read court decisions, read every article I could find.”

Meanwhile, the swimmers in the Ivy League were basically given a gag order by their schools and conference, and only anonymous parents or petitions have come into play all season.

“While I was reading, my daughter and the rest of the Ivy League were getting another kind of education, the kind no one should receive,” the parent said. “The Ivy League released their statement dripping with sexism. Mandatory meetings were called by schools with scripts read by coaches,” the parent continued. “The girls, already caught off guard,  and intimidated but upset, were now silenced. They were manipulated, coerced and emotionally blackmailed. They were told their leagues and their schools had spoken and made their positions clear. They as athletes had made their decisions to be part of the school and the league and had to support it.”

Finally, they were told their first priority needed to be the safety and protection of their Trans classmates. Now there was little chance anyone would speak out.

“After this, I spoke with my daughter. The influence was clear. She thought it was unfair that Lia was competing and almost all the girls did, and they spoke about it amongst themselves. … She wanted no part of being hated on her campus or hurting people she knew, or embarrassingly being kicked off of her team.

“… More women and teams will race against Lia at NCAAs. I want people to wake up to the world we are creating for women.”

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Chuck
6 months ago

This is just unspeakably sad for women’s sports. No amount of linguistic contrivance, surgical mutilation, hormonal suppression, or for that matter, wishful thinking, is going to change someone with XY Chromosomes into a woman.

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SarahJ
6 months ago
Reply to  Chuck

Its bad for Biological Women all around. The fact that a boy/man can say they identify as a girl/woman and get their way was coming big time. Remember when the Transgender woman wanted Dave Chappelle removed from Netflix for making “Transphobic” comments(which he didn’t). The protests were a way to determine how far they could get their way, think about how the Trans Woman was talking about how unfair Netflix was towards the Trans Community and wanted changes, then filed a suit. The suit was settled, terms are sealed and you have to ask, did Netflix stop its unfair practices towards the Trans Community or were there any to begin with?
“When you stand for nothing you fall for everything”, everyone stood for nothing and fell for the okey doke. The same was done to J.K. Rawling when she said Gender was a fact and was not allowed at her own Harry Potter 20yr Reunion, now that’s deep. Little by little is how they did it

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  SarahJ

Thank God, Netflix chose their relationship with Dave!!

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Anne
6 months ago

Thank you for saying what so many are thinking. I hope your daughter will be very proud that her mother is sticking up for her as well as all female athletes. I agree with everything you have said. I have twins, one being a female and one being a male. Both were competitive swimmers, swimming distance events and I can say that in no way would it would have been fair for my son to compete against his sister. The world is truly messed up thinking this is okay and it is time for people to stand up for female athletes.

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Nancy Hogshead-Makar
6 months ago

Lia is taking advantage of 10 years of male puberty; it provides a far bigger boost in power-sports, the sprints, as opposed to distance events.
The gap bt males and females in the sprints is
13+%. Meanwhile, the gap in the 1650y is just 8.8%.
The gap in a punching motion is … 150%!! So of course Lia would gravitate away from the distance events that used to define her, where she has competed all her life, towards the shorter-distances and sprints.
It’s another reason why we say Lia’s participation in “WOMEN’s” sports is not fair.

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Luis
6 months ago

Hello Nancy,

I agree with you but this goes beyond the advantages of male puberty. If you look at prepubescent males and females you will consistently see that boys are faster, about 1.5 seconds faster, for example, in a 9-10 age group 50M event. I suggest trans men and trans women can both compete in the male category and then have them choose what locker room or bathroom identifies with their gender. It is, after all, more about how they identify with clothing, relationships and pronouns, and bathrooms than how they compete anyway. This way there are no invasive questions about ones testosterone levels, which is private information and costly to those on lower socioeconomic levels.

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Swimmer 2
6 months ago
Reply to  Luis

Locker rooms are separated by sex, not gender. Humans cannot change sex.

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S L
6 months ago

If trans women were going to be taking over women’s sports it would have happened over 40 years ago. I was 11 years old when I heard the cries of women’s sports being done for because a “tranny” was competing in the US Open. I am 57 now. That is 46 years of hearing and reading nonsense like this letter to Swimming World Magazine. And all that time, there’s never been a trans woman to win a Div 1 National Championship or an Olympic medal. But still the transphobic people whine and complain as if all of this is new.

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Swim mom
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

U obviously never played competitive sports or trained for anything except ur liberal nonsense.

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N.C
6 months ago
Reply to  Swim mom

You stop calling names. I am in the liberal group. I still know what is right when it comes to competition. Somebody with XY chromosome should not compete in an XX chromosome sport. The energy, stamina etc are not the same.

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Ken
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

How did you decide that it would have happened 40 years ago. I’m 50. The idea that a male would be able to compete in women’s sports was ridiculous 40 years ago.

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Anthony
6 months ago
Reply to  Ken

Thank you…the lies and propaganda genetated by the trans people is stunning.

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Ken
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

Also, take your transphobic nonsense elsewhere. That’s all you people do. You only have that as a response to a logical argument. Pathetic.

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Anthony
6 months ago
Reply to  Ken

The nonsense is that Will Thomas should be considered a female athlete. Want to compete fairly? CREATE A TRANS SWIMMER CATEGORY. This is cheating hiding behind virtue-signalling bullsh-t and we all know it. Stop lying.

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Donna Honey
6 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

it’s just like if Bruce Jenner who is now Kaitlin decided to compete with women

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Meghan Duncan
6 months ago
Reply to  Donna Honey

But…She’s against it too….said it’s unfair.

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Billie Ansley
6 months ago
Reply to  Ken

You have nothing in this discussion as a man! You are the pathetic one!

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Owyn Faulkner
6 months ago
Reply to  Billie Ansley

Men’s opinions matter!

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C..
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

Well it’s about to happen hope the rest of my children don’t fall victim to this take over if women’s sport.

I don’t care about this person’s wants to be a female. It does not affect me. Go ahead and dress in girls clothes and take drug. But let females compete against females. Telling ppl that a 6ft 3 male can’t crush females on average is nonsense. Letting it go eventually the whole team would have no females. I would take my child out of the program as should every parent there. Let Thomas race for the whole school.

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Donna Honey
6 months ago
Reply to  C..

I believe if I had a child in the program I would send them elsewhere to compete and get their education.

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C..
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

You saying this is like saying if black people were going to be equal it would have happened by now. How many crossdressing people are in the female sports circle? Not many yet. But now boys can excel in something they are overall average at.

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Bill
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

Name any trans female that has competed in swimming!

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Billie Ansley
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

You have got to be kidding. They have no business swimming against women. I am not going to pretend that I can understand why so-called Lia would want to swim against women. It’s not right! Lia made choices and should live with them and not HARM others at the same time!

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Jackie
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

There would had been more weight added to your argument if you had brought up the difference in treatments between then and now. It would have been also interesting if you had hard facts, for instance, did the transition happen before or after puberty-but no, you instead resort to name calling. Name calling, shaming and throwing guilt around to make a point is what middle schoolers (and people with NO quality discussions) do because they have no argument. Period.

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Judy
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

40 years ago people thought differently so no it wouldn’t have happened then. Stop calling people transphobic because they point out an obvious fact. Lia has an advantage of all her years going through puberty as a male. Her arms are longer, she has more lung power, etc., things she developed as a male. This is about fairness, not Trans phobia. Let’s follow science not wokeness.

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Sean
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

Still, even one is unfair to the natural born female student athletes in the same race, and the team in the same meet. Any championship 🏆 should include an asterisk due to the potentially two decades of male anatomical development prior to the change.
It’s absolutely unfair.
With life choices, comes acceptance of consequences to ones decisions, and they should not be unfair to anyone else in their circle of competition.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Sean

ALL of Lia’s wins have an asterisk next to them. They are not legitimate. If William was still racing against men, we wouldn’t even know his name.

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Nuclear Pharmacist
6 months ago
Reply to  S L

Well the answer is around the corner. What are you going to say when it DOES happen? “Sorry, all biological women who have swam, trained, and worked their entire lives to compete at this level. It appears you will never be able to win a race if a trans woman is competing.” I am all for Lia being able to swim, or even compete, but she has to compete with like others. And in this case it is trans women.

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Swim mom
6 months ago

We need to keep fighting. If you start a petition we can get some leverage. I’m so stunned by the ignorance and we must protect these girl swimmers. It’s like having a predator in their space.

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C..
6 months ago
Reply to  Swim mom

Maybe stop being anonymous. Eff what the authorities say you have the freedom to have an opinion.

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Tibi Froy
6 months ago

Thank you to this mother for speaking up, and thank you to Swimming World for having the journalistic integrity and courage that ESPN and Sports Illustrated do not, and continuing to be the only sports media in the US covering this issue head-on without flinching or pandering.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Tibi Froy

AMEN!!!

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Anonymous
6 months ago

I am a Women’s Swimming All- American, and graduated in 1991. My daughter is also a Women’s Swimming All- American, who will compete against a “Woman” with a penis who swam on the Men’s team for 3 years in college.
My own Mother spoke openly when I was a young girl about how unfair it was that Women couldn’t compete in sports. There were not many of any Women’s sports teams in college.
Women Sports Matter!
Please consider these Women who train so hard and every month get their period with cramps, nausea and diarrhea. They continue to train hard, but have a disadvantage to a transitioning man to woman who has never had a period and has had testosterone running through her/his body throughout the entirety of his/her life. We don’t condone steroids why is it ok to have a transgender swimming with elevated levels of testosterone swim against other Women in Sports.
Protect Women’s Sports! Women Sports Matter!

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C..
6 months ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Even with the drugs to make this person more feminine they have 4 to 20x more testosterone in them than many females

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Kathy Levernier
6 months ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Bravo, well said. Boys, Men have no business being on a girl or women’s sports team. Men have different body build. If someone chooses to change their birth order, that is their personal choice..not ours. It should not be affecting everyone around them. Let them walk their own new chosen path. They do not have the right to redefine our lives. The expense and time is not even afforded to PEOPLE who are autistic and want to live mainstream why to Trans? If you’re going to do for them Open the gates for all the Other’s

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Veritas
6 months ago

We divide sports competition into simple categories by sex, age and, in combat sports, weight. It’s not perfect, but it generally works to produce a competition recognized as fair. It’s clear that Lia Thomas is not a woman, which makes his competing against women unfair. It would also be unfair if Lia Thomas were the 15th best swimmer on the Penn Women’s team, but that’s another issue.

How obviously unfair it is for Lia Thomas to compete in women’s swimming has run straight into an ideology that is built on the lie that basic biology does not matter. Everyone can see that this particular emperor has no clothes. But, there is an entrenched structure here that prefers its lie to the obvious truth. So, does it change it opinion? No, it vehemently attacks everyone that points out the lie. The vehemence of attacks is no doubt based upon the fact that — deep down — these particular Red Guardsmen know the truth.

These particular enemies of truth are running the Ivy League, which is the pre-eminent organization of post-secondary education in the United States and perhaps the world. Colleges and universities are supposed to be a place where you can vehemently debate issues, but on this one issue, colleges and universities are shutting down debate to promote what is so clearly a falsehood.

What, then, is the future of the United States if you can’t tell the truth about a matter of basic biology at the Ivy League?

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Veritas

We must REFUSE to repeat the lie! Stop calling Lia HER. When we call HIM what HE is it will at least keep the fight going and enrage them as much as they enrage us. Using the wrong pronouns silences us and teaches our children something that’s not true. NO ONE can change their gender.

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MITCHELL
6 months ago

IT IS SIMPLE….XX EQUALS FEMALE…..XY EQUALS MALE. MR. LIA THOMAS IS A MALE WHO IS IN A FEMALE SPORT.

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Ken
6 months ago

Trying not to “offend” people is how our culture has allowed this disgrace. Despite the fact that it insults the intelligence of everyone except the profoundly ignorant. This cancer will penetrate all women’s sports eventually. Sad.

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Owyn Faulkner
6 months ago
Reply to  Ken

I agree! I’m past worrying about being offensive. As a matter of fact, I feel highly offended that these people think that I’m stupid enough to believe the rhetoric that is being pushed upon us.

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Ken D.
6 months ago

He’s like a school yard bully picking on girls!

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Ken D.

And sharing the women’s locker room as well.

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Albert Beadencup
6 months ago

Science hasn’t reengineered DNA to transform a person’s gender.This is about as fair as allowing “trans” male to female athletes to play women’s basketball.Imagine Joel Embeed playing in the WNBA!!!!
Political Correctness has polluted all aspects of life.

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Anthony
6 months ago

What Will Thomas (that is not a woman, I don’t care who is offended) has done is much like what Communist athletes did during the Olympics of the 60’s – 90’s, and what Chinese athletes do now: outright cheating. The difference is that this form of cheating is social engineering. The only way to defeat Will Thomas is to have him compete in an empty pool. Women should refuse to compete against him. They must meet force with force. No swimmers?, no NCAA funding. You hold the cards. Don’t be afraid to play them.

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Owyn Faulkner
6 months ago
Reply to  Anthony

If I had a daughter competing in the ivy league I would encourage them to organize a team walk out for sure.

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KENNETH BARDLETTE
6 months ago

I’m against Lia Thomas competing. He was a failure at swimming in the men’s ranks. Take some hormones and say he’s now a girl, and now unfairly beating women. Ultimate narcissist. Ultimate loser as a man. Let him compete against other trans players and watch him sink into loser status again.

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2Stumps
6 months ago

What really needs to happen, is every swimmer should refuse to take part in protest, any race that is unfair, plain and simple! What Total BS! Some sports writer wrote that the swimmer in question, as a male team member in previous seasons, was just average and nothing special. So because you suck as a male, its ok for you to ruin other peoples swimming careers! To each his/her own but come on!

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  2Stumps

He was ranked 462 competing against men and now ranked 1 competing against women. He knows he’s cheating and so does the NCAA. Unfortunately, women are still racing against him because they fear being called transphobic.

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Georgi
6 months ago

Why are we tiptoeing around this subject? When we see meets won by hundredths of seconds and he wins by 2 laps, the advantage is apparent. Why is this allowed to happen, where are the feminists on this issue?

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linda
6 months ago
Reply to  Georgi

The ‘Feminist Stance’ for a long time now, has been that there ‘are no differences between Men and Women’.
Now that they are being forced to confront their own nonsense, they are either slinking away in shame OR the Feminists who are protesting against this are being ‘Canceled’ by the Trans-Activists or even younger Feminists.

The facts are that no amount of Testosterone Suppression or Estrogen Therapy is going to shrink Will (Lia) Thomas down from 6’5″ and 200+ lbs to 5’10” 155 lbs.
That Male Bone Structure, Explosive Nervous System, Fast Twitch Muscle Fiber Ratio and More Powerful Motor Neurons are permanent results of a complete Male Puberty.

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Rockland Steel
6 months ago

There needs to a parent or swimmer who shows some actual courage, who makes a stand who speaks up. Cowards never win.
Women being forced to compete against men. Its a cruel joke. Just last year Mr. Thompson. His giant shoulders,and penis were swimming against men.
Now we all pretend. Aiding and abetting the farce that Mr.Thompson has magically become a woman.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Rockland Steel

Here, here!!

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Mark Tuttle
6 months ago

In any sport, if someone uses performance enhancers that add even a fraction of a percent increase, we ban them. We dont know EXACTLY how much this adds, but we do know it adds an advantage. I have grown to abhore those who stand with trans athletes competing as women since those very people 10 years ago would have also said they are for womens rights. Liars and theives. And now we see “womxn”, as though that solves or helps womEn feel heard, safe, supported, or empowered… instead it pulls in men disguised as women and is meant to make a biological WOMAN feel bad for being A womAn.

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Bill
6 months ago

As a True male, I say this is a Travesty and the fact that Real Women are afraid to voice their concerns because they will be cast as prejudice in todays “woke” society!! First, lia is NOT a female by any measure of imagination!! Second, the fact that people cannot have an Open discussion about this, with opposing views is simply outrageous! University of Penn administration should All hang their heads in shame for bending over and saying stick it all the way up, to the lgbt group. LGBT can be and feel any way they want BUT have NO right to Force this on NORMAL citizens. And yes you are NOT normal.

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T.B.
6 months ago

Unfortunately, the game plan is to demonize any one who asks these reasonable questions with vicious ad hominem attacks. That way uncomfortable things like scientific facts never have to be addressed. It is the kind of debate strategy you would expect from a 3rd grader, not an Ivy League school. Welcome to 2022.

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Elizabeth Ware
6 months ago

When did Lia decide to transgender? Growing up? Or when Lia/William realized that reaching the potential of Michael Phelps wasn’t going to happen. This is no different than doping to gain an unfair advantage. This is about Title IX and womens participation in sport and not transphobia. Stop with the transphobia accusations and threats of canceling others who speak about about Lia Thomas’s unfair testosterone gains.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Elizabeth Ware

Brava!!!

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Rachel Moran
6 months ago

Every single person looking the other way here (which is almost everyone) needs to grow a spine and stand up for these girls. Your silence is destroying society itself.

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Margo Allen
6 months ago

I’ve been speechless for weeks since hearing of this case. As a late transitioning trans woman myself I cannot defend Lia’s quick qualification for the women’s the team….6’3″ and look at those shoulders! C’mon, she fully developed a large male body. My larger trans feminine friends report after years of HRT it’s as if a lawnmower engine is trying to power a bus…and at age 61 I can identify with that, but it’s only an anecdote.
The only way to go forward is to accept the new crop of young transitioning trans girls that do not experience male puberty, as more likely candidates for competitive sports. My own daughter competed against mostly boys in her highschool wrestling career…weight categories kept things within reason.
I don’t have good answers for the sports issue.
I can say I have observed many different outcomes in physical development among my trans peers. And there is no consensus in what HRT methods to use. It’s nuanced. It’s case by case. In my more paranoid moments I suspect the worst possible choices of participant are thrust into test cases for new policy in order to sabotage it. The UK prison housing cases come to mind…
Let’s look at what Lia is supposedly stealing from cis women in this competition.
Are grants and placement opportunities automatically guaranteed to title and record holders?
I’m really offended when grade school and highschool kids are thrown into this controversy over fair competition in sports. For one, grade school kids haven’t developed at all yet. Very little difference. Very little at stake- except for learning teamwork and community ideals. And physical health.
Sports is the one stumbling block I keep tripping over. I don’t know what’s right. I don’t know what is fair. No where else does body size and strength bring such conflicts as this.
Lia will be young only once. It’s not her fault that she won the genetics pool and got 6’3″ and athletic. Or happened to be trans and only just beginning HRT. Allow her to participate….take these titles and records with a grain of sand, everyone knows who she is for goodness sakes. Keep a separate set of records books if you can’t keep track, lol.
Like, where IS ” the money” in women’s sports? Look at pro soccer and basketball for instance.
Is this motivation for a gender switch? I think not. I believe Lia is simply a determined athlete who is trans and stuck in a bind. Kudos for fiercely pushing ahead swimming, be it 50 percentile in men’s division, or top in women’s. The performance has been consistent, her body is honed to swim.
I don’t see companies lining up to pay Lia for endorsements, nor scholarships for her in reality merely above average sports ability. I hope all the publicity brings more interest and $$ into women’s sports. Heaven knows we have a physical fitness shortfall as Americans.
Lia is a fairly rare case I suggest taking as an honorary member of the team. All women should have far more opportunities to participate in amateur sports.
I expect disagreeable replies from all fronts…yet any damage at this point is all “what ifs” and has not happened. Lighten up! No one has picked your pocket. I acknowledge there are advantages to a male frame. I acknowledge certain privilege growing up male. In my world, I have made attempts to catch up interested cis women to the manly world of bicycle repair and all the little shop skills most handy types pick up as a matter of course. I try to relate the idea there is no shame being a beginner, that in fact most men are seriously ” unhandy” and fake it. You don’t have to be big to turn a wrench or learn technical terms… The non profit bike shop is part of an effort to promote cycling in general, an overwhelmingly male mode of transport and sport.
We need cooperation more than competition today.

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linda
6 months ago
Reply to  Margo Allen

Lia Thomas is more like 6’5″ – and over 200 lbs

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Margo Allen

“She fully developed a large male body. ”

Tell us something we don’t know. HE fully developed a large male body. HE’S a cheater. You know it and so does everyone else.

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Roger hernandez
6 months ago

Why this guy still swimming as a woman ? Is a loser , plain dnd simple

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Cathy Eide
6 months ago

Today, when you speak of minority rights, few people realize women are part of that category.
Women are still attempting to find their place in our society that allows them an equal footing to follow and achieve their dreams. That’s why Title IX was created.
But, now young girls have to defer their dreams because any man can find his womanhood at anytime and express it in anyway he finds appropriate. It’s up to him.
The girls need to wait for those decisions to find out where they fit in the scheme. This is old stuff for women. Women have been waiting for men to decide so they can make their plans, forever.
It is new, that young women wait for young men to decide when they will present themselves as women to the world and then, of course, lead the young women in anything they choose to do.

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CC Greene
6 months ago

It’s 2021. Get with the program.

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just saying
6 months ago
Reply to  CC Greene

It’s 2022.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  CC Greene

You mean get with the lie?

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Owyn Faulkner
6 months ago

I fully agree! My daughter is only two years old but I am absolutely terrified that when it comes time for her to compete in athletics she might be competing against boys who are pretending to be girls. I know that sound cold but it’s true! If my son (currently 5 years old) started telling me that he wants to be a girl I would absolutely explore that with him. I would draw the line with allowing him to do hormone therapy or any surgery until he is out of my care. NOR WOULD I ALLOW HIM TO COMPETE ON GIRLS TEAMS! The idea that these people who have chosen to convert to women don’t have a competitive advantage is ridiculous. Lia Thomas was a mediocre competitor on the men’s league at best. Now she’s out there destroying the women. I competed martial arts and I could never imagine a man deciding to convert into a woman and then going in and fighting women. I would like to know where we draw the line as far as reality and fiction. Trust and believe that this is the kind of thing that I would fight a person’s parent over. If my daughter loses out on opportunities in college because a boy decided that he wanted to be a girl that is absolutely not fair. Another thing that drives me nuts is that this all makes me sound like a bigot which couldn’t be farther from the truth. I’m just a realistic person who used to champion for transgendered rights gay rights women’s rights basically for everybody to be treated equal, now the problem is transgender woman competing against women is not equal.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago
Reply to  Owyn Faulkner

You are not being cold when you state facts. Do not second guess common sense. You are also not a bigot. Your daughter is fortunate to have a mother who will fight for her rights no matter what. I too believe in transgender rights. You want to wear a dress and play make believe? Fine. But I draw the line at men competing against women in sports when they couldn’t achieve success racing against their own sex.

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Tom
6 months ago

We can all stop capitalising the T when we write “trans” for a start. Please.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago

Let’s call a spade a spade. William Lia Thomas is a MAN!!!

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Carmen Uber
6 months ago

This whole issue is laughable. How do seemingly intelligent people get so snowed by groupthink and peer pressure to not speak out when the emperor has no clothes? Ask someone with an elementary education if it makes any sense for a biological boy to compete against a biological girl. Where is the feminist movement in all of this?

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Donna Honey
6 months ago

so this guy couldn’t win as a male so he figures he can compete as a female and win. I don’t care what he identifies as . it’s unfair for trans to compete in sports in my opinion. be whatever you want but don’t take unfair advantage of others who are legitimately competing. I say let him be a girl all he wants. but he can’t compete as one. back in my day you got a iron pipe to the knee caps for doing that

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Miriam Ben-Shalom
6 months ago

Men’s sports, mixed sports. women’s–oh, wait! No such thing any longer. . .This mother is right: sex and biology DO belong in sports. NO human being can change her/his sex. And men in women’s sports are unfair and wrongheaded.

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Ray Gross
6 months ago

EVERY SINGLE ” BIOLOGICAL FEMALE SWIMMER SHOULD PROTEST BY QUITING THE SWIM TEAM. FURTHERMORE EVERY SINGLE BIOLIGICAL MALE SWIMMER SHOULD ALSO QUIT THE SWIM TEAM TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THEYRE BIOLOGICAL FEMALE SWIMMERS.

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OceanSpirit
6 months ago

This is not difficult. There should be three categories of competition: men’s, women’s and transgender.

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Walter
6 months ago

The Ivy League presidents show an extraordinary lack of reason, something I long felt about the ACLU. These presidents have cheapened their brand.

They should apologize, acknowledge that Thomas is male, and disallow him from competing in any women’s division.

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Paul
6 months ago

IDENTIFYING as a female and BEING a female are very different realities!!! She has the right to live her life as a female, but she has no right competing in sports as a female. What is wrong with the people in this Country…

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Floriana
6 months ago

The male cheats, and the institutional encouragement they get for their reprehensible behaviour, make me angry enough to walk onto any poolside, pitch, track or boxing ring, on my own, even if thousands of spectators boo me, and shout, “Get that man out!” I will do just that, if this nonsense comes to anywhere near me. This won’t go away on its own.

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Larry Welch
6 months ago

Just curious as to how many biologically born females have transitioned to male team competition after male hormone replacement therapy and how have they faired in terms of competition.

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DeAnna Decolla Hinton
6 months ago

D. Hinton

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DeAnna Decolla Hinton
6 months ago

I have yet to hear any transgender athlete say that this is fair and just. Even THAT community knows that this is unfair to biological women. Why can’t the trans community stop being lazy and charter their own league?

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SarahJ
6 months ago

So what are we going to do, see normally a protest would occur, no one swims against “Will “Lia” Thomas(taking hormones and just saying you feel like a woman doesn’t get it). I guess Sometimes you can feel like a nut, and sometimes you don’t, what’s going to happen after he graduates (this is his last year). The past 3yrs he was on the men’s swim team and was 400th in ranking. Now he takes a few pills and is #1 in the country against all collegiate women swimmers using all that he learned as a boy. I’m sorry but I couldn’t stand by and allow this to happen to the Women who worked just as hard to compete against OTHER WOMEN. Not some Man who decided all of a sudden he feels like a “Woman” and anyone as we have seen who disagrees with Will “Lia” Thomas swimming on UPenn’s Women’s Swim Team is automatically “Transphobic”. Question, will he continue to live life as a Woman after he’s taken every swim place trophy and medal from Women who worked hard for their positions on Women’s swim teams. Has he taken steps for full transition, will he have the full operation and become a real transsexual. We’ll never know until it actually happens, question?, what happens when he decides he no longer feel like a Woman and stops taking the hormones. Is there a time frame after graduation and such that he must remain a Woman. Cause it seems that’s what will happen, he’ll wait his time frame and be done, seriously, you can see its all fake based on his appearance. He’s a man who found a sneak and is waiting it out all the while boys/teen boys/men are taking unfair advantage that was meant to help a few but has in turn harmed girls/teen girls/young and mature women. Next will the WNBA have to accept a Transgender Man/Woman, a Man who couldn’t make it in the NBA. Also ask yourself this, why is it only trans men/woman crying about being allowed into girls/teen girls/women bathroom and locker room.

Being Born a Girl is a curse we survive everyday. I only say “curse” because we already are perceived as the weaker sex, families in some countries kill baby girls because they are considered burdens on the family. If we do survive to grow up we have to fight all types of dangers and still try and have a normal life to grow up into a mature successful woman. Now we are being negated in every aspect, a man can play dress up and take a woman’s a place on a woman’s swim team. A man can play dress up and play any women’s role in entertainment(Madea cemented this madness). Now it seems there is a way a man can dress up like a Woman have a surgery that could possibly have him to carry baby by having a Uterus transplanted into his body!🙄🙄🙄😨😨😨 If that happens, we women have to ask, why are we even here, we’ve been replaced in every aspect of life. Men have literally gotten revenge for the Apple Eve picked by having us made useless and not needed for anything, ever.

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Les best
6 months ago

She’s a man, end of discussion.

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Adb
6 months ago

Maybe they could do like horse racing and add weight to curb the advantage of one person over another. It sure works in horse racing!

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Geoff
6 months ago

“I was told that the worlds biological and genetic had no business being in a discussion about sex and gender. I was told Trans women are women.” So, if anybody can be a woman in the NCAA’s eyes, then the only useful definition of “woman” is someone who participates in women’s sporting events.

In order to detoxify the upcoming NCAA women’s championships, I would like to come out as identifying as the person who won all the events in advance. I noticed there is a paucity of middle-aged dudes who hate swimming competing in this year’s women’s championship. I would hate to think the NCAA so anti-inclusive and narrow in its definition of champions as “people who can actually swim, did so in the event, and finished first”. Our greatest strength is our diversity of me winning all the events.

Please send me my medals, or you will hear from my lawyer and my two favorite semioticians.

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Keith
6 months ago

It’s unfair. That much is clear to all. These are the early days. Eventually we will find ways to make it fair – some kind of factor that can be applied, maybe. Until then, biological women will be getting the short end of the stick.

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Judy Williams
6 months ago

Please there is no need to trash trans folks or call Lia a man. Trans people have enough pain in their lives without that kind of talk.
However, Lia would have done a lot more for the trans community by not swimming competitively as a female. She clearly has advantages over cis women in swimming. Unfortunately the NCAA added fuel to the anti-trans sentiment by choosing misplaced political correctness over fairness.